PSoTD

Nice Deal If You Can Get It

Let's see if I understand this. Sender Score Certified offers a free email whitelist service to ISPs. But emailers have to pay them if they want to be certified sender.

If this is truly how it works, then ISPs shouldn't use this service from Return Path. Entities shouldn't have to pay to be on an accepted list for email delivery unless ALL entities pay.

Posted by PSoTD on Friday May 9, 2008 at 8:15am |
Anonymous Coward:
I don't understand you argument. ISPs shouldn't use the service because it is free for them, but not mailers? Or it shouldn't be used if anyone must pay? If so what is the basis for this assertion?
5.9.2008 3:25pm
PSoTD (mail) (www):
Why should just some emailers be forced to pay to be whitelisted at just some places? These lists repair mistakes all the time - ask the listserv companies, which send legitimate email that are blocked because of poor blacklisting/greylisting efforts. ISPs shouldn't use a service that is essentially a fixit service if it forces organizations that need the fix to pay for it.

The whole black/gray/whitelisting concept, if to be continued, needs to be run by much more clear rules and expectations by the public.
5.9.2008 8:23pm
George Bilbrey (mail) (www):
Note: I'm the General Manager of the division of Return Path the runs the Sender Score Certified Program

My take (not surprisingly) is that payment by senders for the Sender Score Certifed program makes sense.

The Sender Score Certified Program costs a good deal of money to run: processing applications, ongoing review of clients' performance vs. program standards, other compliance operations all cost money to provide. To break even on our operations we need to charge for the program.

We (and our ISP partners) are not requiring clients to pay for the program:

Clients get large benefits from the program - their email is much more likely to get delivered, images show by default at certain ISPs. They wouldn't pay if the economics didn't make sense.

More importantly, mailers don't need to be part of our program to get their mail delivered at our ISP partners - they just need to run their mail programs in a way that creates a good email reputation (few subscribers hitting the report spam button and other measures of reputation). Our program simply makes it easier for mailers to present themselves as good mailers.
5.11.2008 11:11am
PSoTD (mail) (www):
I think the keys to this are two:

- "Clients get large benefits from the program - their email is much more likely to get delivered, images show by default at certain ISPs. They wouldn't pay if the economics didn't make sense." This holds true for larger organizations, and not for the small organizations. Yet you say that "mailers don't need to be part of our program to get their mail delivered at our ISP partners" so why is it that larger organizations, with a bigger budget, need this more than smaller organizations, with a tighter budget?

What do you mean specifically by "other measures of reputation"? This is the nub of the entire issue, and yet isn't really understood by an overwhelming majority of email users. I'm not even convinced that all ISPs understand it, either.
5.11.2008 1:22pm
:
Could you explain for us why ISPs and other receivers aren't allowed to run their mail systems any way that want to?

If I want to use SSC or the Habeas whitelist, or any other whitelist or blacklist to manage my inbound mail, what's the problem with that? Why do I have any responsibility to accept mail from you or anyone else? It's not like you're paying me to deliver your ads.
5.11.2008 7:22pm
PSoTD (mail) (www):
First of all, I'm not sending ads. But I do belong to various lists that I chose to join. Surprise, surprise, I have to use three email addresses to make sure I get my email from these lists, because various lists are blocked from time to time for no known reason.

Second of all - the point is, shouldn't your customers understand how you're making this determination? After all, they are somehow under the belief that it's THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS. And they're paying for it.

I'm not griping as a sender as much as a recipient.
5.11.2008 7:40pm

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